Category: quotes and reflections

an amazing dialogue off of last night’s west wing:

Chinese Ambassador
You know what I think about a lot when I’m having these kinds of discussions?
C.J. Cregg
What sir?
Chinese Ambassador
Capitalism vanquished Communism. Obliterated it. And here we are having a discussion where you are trying to restrict our markets.
C.J. Cregg
We’re trying to address a humanitarian situation in the Sudan.
Chinese Ambassador
Exactly. But you have always taught us that liberty is the same thing as capitalism – as if life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness cannot be crushed by greed. Your “American Dream” is financial – not ethical.

check out shannon’s post here for a rather good reflective look at growing up in general.

By the time we become adults we realize that Disneyland is nothing more than a well marketed amusement park with mediocre rides & over priced soft drinks. But a child still knows how to expect, to long for something. A child has not been broken of the belief that just around the embankment there lies a joy worth waiting for.

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Somehow — despite our expectations — these places do manage to change us. The difference, however, between the child and the adult is that of expectations not personal transformation. The child expects something unreasonable (lifelong happiness from an amusement park), and the adult is unwilling to expect anything for fear of disappointment.

We’re saying “Let’s learn from all of our denominational heritage. Let’s even learn from the weaknesses of church history.”
Now there’s a tendency among some of us from Protestant backgrounds – we’ve been part of a history that goes like this: “Ok – we’re all Catholic over here.” And then some of us say, “There are problems in Catholicism. There are real problems here. So we’re going to protest Catholicism, and pull over here. Now – we’re pure and we’ve got it right, unlike them over there.”

But what happens after about six months when all of us “pure” people are together? Some of us say, “Well you’re not as pure as I am.” So then we protest and create another little group over here. And pretty soon everybody is protesting everybody else.

And one of the downsides of that protest is that when you think that your little group is pure and clean, the chances are very high of you also becoming proud and arrogant, which is not a good recipe for spiritual health.

So what we’re saying is, “No – let’s go back and let’s own and embrace the whole tree. We’re part of the whole thing.” And that means that we embrace the mistakes. And instead of saying, “These are their mistakes, these are Catholic mistakes. These are liberal mistakes. These are conservative mistakes,” we say, “No – these are our mistakes.” In our Christian history, brothers and sisters, we have anti-semitism, racism, slavery, witch burning, civil religion, financial scandals, sexual scandals, suppression of science, anti-intellectualism, anti-art, and a lot of other bad stuff, and it’s in our history, and I think we are less likely to repeat it if we own it. So what we’re saying is, “Let’s own the weaknesses, and let’s own the strengths.” St. Francis and John Calvin, Mother Teresa and Billy Graham, Bono, Bach and the negro spirituals, Pentecostalism and Greek Orthodoxy, Cathedrals and Christian summer camps, it’s all part of this wonderful heritage of the Christian community, and we’re saying we need to own it all.

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The point is that instead of narrowing things down to just the little group, let’s just say, “Look – we’re all a mess, and we all have some good things going, so let’s try to embrace each other and work together.”

So if you want to be a Presbyterian and argue against the Mennonites and say that they’re not really Christians, that’s fine, but you’re probably not a part of the Emerging Conversation. If you want to be a Presbyterian who appreciates and learns form Mennonites, then you’re a part of the Emerging Church, and vice-versa. If you want to be a Pentecostal who thinks that all Catholics are total losers, then you’re not a part of the emerging conversation. But if you’re a Pentecostal who wants to learn anything you can from Catholics, then you fit in. If you’re liberal and you think that you have nothing to learn from conservative Christians, then, you know, you are what you are. But if you’re saying no, I’m a liberal Christian, but I think there are things that I can learn from my conservative brothers, and vice-versa – again, my life is so blessed because I get to travel around and speak to all these different groups, and I’ll tell you something: Although some sectors of Christians have excluded and rejected and given up on other sectors, in my experience, God doesn’t seem to have done so. God still seems to like them. And even if they pushed God out the door, he snuck back in the window, and he’s done that with all of us. And the fact that God puts up with any of us – including those of us who are here – is an incredible miracle.

Now I’m not saying that the truth doesn’t matter, but I’m saying that truth is not one-dimensional. It’s not flat, it’s thick. It’s not just a black and white picture, it’s full color. It’s not bland, it’s spicy.

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Can I say it like this: reason and logic are ours, and art and imagery are ours. Reasoned logical sermons are ours, and rituals are ours. The treasures of Roman Catholicism – whose are they? Ours. The treasures of Eastern Orthodoxy – whose are they? Ours. Presbyterian treasures. Baptist treasures. Mennonite treasures. What we’re saying is look – they’re ours, and their mistakes are ours. And their embarrassments are ours, and their scandals are ours. Because we’re all in this thing together.

-Brian Mclaren

While the term “Emerging Church” is increasingly being employed to describe what would appear to be a well defined and doctrinally unified movement, the phrase actually belies a fragile embryonic and theologically diverse conversation. So what, if anything, unifies this conversation, and is it possible to predict whether it will have any impact on the wider religious community? This conversation houses a contemporary, yet deeply ancient approach to faith that has the potential of revolutionizing the theological and moral architecture of the Christian community. The problem with attempting to describe what the emerging community actually is relates to its kinetic nature, a nature that consequently defies reduction to a single set of exhaustive theological doctrines. This diversity prevents us from describing the conversation as a new church or denomination. This disparate network of communities is not some object that can be dissected by scavenging academics who would wish to pin it down and label it like a lepidopterist does with dead insects. Those involved within the emergent conversation are not explicitly attempting to construct or unearth a different set of beliefs, but rather are looking at the way in which we believe the beliefs we profess.

Let us imagine being in a museum and contemplating an artwork. The piece of art offers us a type of revelation, for it stands before us and communicates a message to us. However, this does not mean that its message is simple, singular, or able to be mastered. For, at the same time it communicates, its message remains concealed, elusive, and fluid. In a similar way, the revelation of God could be fruitfully compared to the way that a parable speaks to those with ears to hear. The parable is given to us, but at the same time its meaning is withheld. It is not reducible to some clear, singular, scientific formula. Hence, revelation neither makes God known, nor leaves God unknown, but rather renders God known as unknown.

– Pete Rollins

another taoism, this time from ron hogan’s interpolation:

those who know, don’t talk.
those who talk, don’t know.

shut your mouth.
be still. relax.
let go of your worries.
stay out of the spotlight.
be at one with the world
and get right with tao.

if you get right with tao,
you won’t be worried
about praise or scorn,
about winning or losing,
about honor or disgrace.
that’s the way to be.

it’s interesting how many documents of “ancient wisdom” run completely counter to what our modern society promotes. as kreeft notes, it’s interesting that we contrast “ancient wisdom” with “modern knowledge” – as if to say that we suspect that even though we know more than the ancients, we may not be as wise.

at any rate, i think lao tzu was on to something here – to not be worried about praise or scorn, winning or losing, honor or disgrace – that is a really good way to be.

“A lot of what I say is rooted in pride, meaning I don’t want to let him *win* the Christianity argument.” And isn’t it so interesting that Christianity is presented as an argument? A friend of mine paid for some research recently where they asked 16-29 year olds what they thought about Christianity. And of the top 12 perceptions from 16-29 year olds, 9 were negative, one was neutral, and 2 were positive. Number one on the negative – 91% of 16-29 year olds shared this perception: Christianity is Anti-Homosexual. Number two: Christianity is judgmental. Now whatever you think about homosexuality, you will probably agree that this is not what Jesus wants people to think of first when they think about his followers.

But to what degree have we turned Christianity into an argument.

If I think back to the book that helped me the most in learning how to share my faith when I was a new Christian, it was called Evidence that Demands a Verdict. Great book. Helped me a lot. But have you ever thought about what that suggests. “Hi. Let me drag you into court and convince you that you’re wrong and guilty.” Have you ever thought about that? The language of the court. Christianity is an argument. We use words like “targeting” people. “He gave me some good ammunition.” Woah. We’re really moving in a good direction. From the courtyard to the battlefield. “Culture wars.”

Do we know how to talk about the Gospel in some category other than argument? You say, “Well what would that be?” Just a thought, I mean, I’m not saying this is how we’ve got to be, but Jesus called his message “news.” We might just think about that as a category. News – it’s stories about what’s happening… what you need to know.

News comes in all these different sections. If the news were to be here today, which section would you put it in – the Good News of Jesus. Would you put it in the religious news page? Would you put it in the world news page? Does the Gospel of Jesus have anything to say about business or local life? And I think that when Jesus talked about the Good News it wasn’t an argument, it was news that affected every area of life. Think about the message of Jesus: “The kingdom of God is at hand. Change your way of thinking. Follow me.”

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She goes on. “When we started dating, we set up two ground rules. Number one, he doesn’t try to convert me, and number two I don’t demand that he gets involved with the Gay rights movement that I am very much involved with.” Oh boy. There it is. The big issue.

And let me just say – whatever you think about homosexuality, you’d better realize this: when a person like April talks about homosexuality, obviously she has a boyfriend – it’s not her own self-interest here. When she thinks about it she’s thinking about it on this level of human rights. How do we treat people? So often when Christians talk about it, they’re talking about it on this level of genital sexuality.

And so here we’re talking about two different things under the same word of homosexuality, and we’d better realize that if we want to talk to somebody like her, we’d better start talking about the same thing – make it clear what thing we’re talking about. Do we care about human rights? How do we want people to be treated? Do we want homosexual people to be shamed? Do we want them to be beat up? Do we want them to be mocked? Do we feel like, “Don’t let them have a job?” You know – how do we want homosexual people to be treated? Forget about whether they’re behavior is right or wrong – that’s the issue that she’s dealing with. And it’s interesting – she says “Look, my boyfriend feels like he has a morally superior position to mine because he’s a Christian and I’m not. He’s agreed to be tolerant of me, and I’ve agreed to be tolerant of him, even though I feel that he has a morally inferior position.”

from Jennifer, over at the AFC blog…

Much more so than Valentine’s Day, Christmas is truly a holiday of love. We celebrate, with the people we love, God’s ultimate act of love for us. The gift was small- a tiny, beautiful baby, born to parents of seemingly insignificant birth and social status, in a barn. Not a lot of show, but definitely a lot of love.

full article here

or (for now) here

Jesus,
come bring us hope.
bring light into darkness.
turn our mourning into your joy.
appear.

Keese is at it again on the afc blog.

Check out his fantastic post over there if you haven’t already.

A couple of excerpts:

when was the last time you experienced true justice? have you ever gotten exactly what you deserved or been dealt with completely fairly? i’ve been pondering this idea lately and have come to the conclusion that i don’t have the slightest idea about what this justice thing is all about. i do little things each day that, if i lived in a completely fair and just society, would earn me either a severe beating or a parade in my honor. yet i receive neither. i show up late to work and do the dishes without being asked, nothing extraordinarily bad or good happens.

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mercy has defined my life and made me who i am today, not justice. justice cannot end pain, heal wounds or form friendships, but mercy can do all those things and more. i cannot help but feel sorrow when i see people rejoicing at the death of their enemy saying, “he got just what he deserved.” i know what i deserve, and it’s not mercy.

Two stories – thoughts and reflections from yesterday (monday). The first is a repost from the summer…

the alchemist picked up a book that someone in the caravan had brought. leaving through the pages, he found a story about narcissus.

the alchemist knew the legend of narcissus, a youth who knelt daily beside a lake to cntemplate his own beauty. He was so fascinated by himself that, one morning, he fell into the lake and drowned. at the spot where he fell, a flower was born, which was called the narcissus.

but this was not how the author of the book ended the story.

he said that when narcissus died, the goddesses of the forest appeared and found the lake, which had been fresh with water, transformed into a lake of salty tears.

“why do you weep?” the goddesses asked.

“I weep for narcissus,” the lake replied.

“ah, it is no surprise that you weep for narcissus,” they said, “for though we always pursued him in the forest, you alone could contemplate his beauty close at hand.”

“but… was narcissus beautiful?” the lake asked.

“who better than you to know that?” the goddesses said in wonder. “After all, it was by your banks that he knelt each day to contemplate himself!”

the lake was silent for some time. Finally it said:

“I weep for narcissus, but i never noticed that narcissus was beautiful. I weep because, each time he knelt beside my banks, i could see, in the depths of his eyes, my own beauty reflected.”

“what a lovely story,” the alchemist thought.

– paulo coello